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Apostate Kate
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The Commitment of Jehovahs Witnesses/ Cayman Islands News
by Apostate Kate incayman net news: the commitment of jehovahs witnesses
according to page 12 of the watchtower published 15 february 1983, jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will.
to receive everlasting life in the earthly paradise we must identify that organization and serve god as part of it.
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Why God refuses to interfere
by greendawn inmany people ask why doesn't god interefere to help suffering mankind?
biblically the answer is very simple: mankind exercise their freedom of choice and in so doing chose to be slaves to sin or the demons if you like.
god respects that choice however foolish it may be.
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Apostate Kate
Not all Christians view suffering and adversity as a bad thing. The person we idolize lived a humble life and died young a very violent death. In contrast to the WT life, we do not look forward to some idilic paradise earth. We are content to be in the kingdom right here and now.
Luke 17:20-21 Being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God would come, he answered them, "The Kingdom of God doesn't come with observation; neither will they say, 'Look, here!' or, 'Look, there!' for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you."
If I live or die, have adversity, illness, cancer, which I have had, I have peace and I don't have to question why. I have peace that;....Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.
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The Commitment of Jehovahs Witnesses/ Cayman Islands News
by Apostate Kate incayman net news: the commitment of jehovahs witnesses
according to page 12 of the watchtower published 15 february 1983, jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will.
to receive everlasting life in the earthly paradise we must identify that organization and serve god as part of it.
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Apostate Kate
Curbed: Development Du Jour: One Brooklyn Bridge Park
Wow..They had some nice apartments in Brooklyn
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The Commitment of Jehovahs Witnesses/ Cayman Islands News
by Apostate Kate incayman net news: the commitment of jehovahs witnesses
according to page 12 of the watchtower published 15 february 1983, jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will.
to receive everlasting life in the earthly paradise we must identify that organization and serve god as part of it.
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Apostate Kate
Cayman Net News: The Commitment of Jehovah’s Witnesses
According to page 12 of the Watchtower published 15 February 1983, “Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.”
When Charles Russell founded the Jehovah’s Witnesses (1852-1916), who could have told him that the group would have had such a committed following in 2006?
He did not have any formal theological training. However he tried his best to sincerely convey the truth.
He predicted that Armageddon would take place in 1914. Somehow he got his dates a little mixed up and corrected it to 1915. He was able to realize that Armageddon did not take place, since he died one year later.
A kind gentleman, Joseph Rutherford stepped up to the plate to continue the work. He discovered very early that God would destroy churches in 1918. The vast majority of Christians would be killed. Being the wise man he was, he therefore encouraged people to escape the impending doom by joining Watchtower.
Just in case things did not go as predicted, 1920 was eventually given as a definite year by which destruction would come to all who did not join Watchtower.
Loyal adherents soon discovered that the date setting thing could raise suspicion and eyebrows. They wisely worked therefore with the Bible. However there was a problem!
The King James’ version had teachings which could contradict their ‘truth.’ The New World Translation version was therefore designed. I make use of my copy in the interest of not misquoting.
In your bible, St. John 1:1 would read something like this: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” In the New World Translation, it reads, “In the beginning the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”
This is because Jesus the Christ is not considered Deity in the theological tradition of this group. The orthodox teaching on Trinity would be abhorred.
Perhaps one of the most admirable things about the group is its willingness to change ideas. For example in 1916, the expression ‘Higher Powers’ in Romans 13:1 referred to governments. However by 1943 they were wiling and open to change that to referring to Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. In the same spirit of willingness this was fortunately reverted to governments in 1964.
This is commendable. How many religious groups would be willing to make these changes? By the same token, ‘Lord’ in Romans 10:12-16 referred to Jesus in 1903. It then referred to Jehovah in 1940. This spirit of truth then returned to using ‘Jesus’ as the meaning in 1978.
The last change was in 1980, when it went back to Jehovah.
Many people criticise them for their marketing abilities especially during prime family time, both for themselves and their prospective customers. How many of us can claim to be even close to this degree of commitment in our own community of faith?
Currently it is anybody’s guess as to when the separating of the ‘sheep and the goats’ as referenced in Matthew 25:31-46, will be realized.
The latest position is that it will take place after the tribulation; although in 1923 it supposedly would take place before the tribulation.
It must take a tremendous leap of faith to hold such beliefs as that of the 144,000 who alone will go to heaven. This is supported by an interpretation of Revelation 7:4 which reads, “Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.”
The more sceptical may be inclined to ask such questions as, “Is it taking so long for this number to be reached? When will they know that the 144,000 has been reached? When it is reached, should the remaining disciples just settle with inhabiting the earth?” What about Jamaica with its many churches per square mile – will none of those persons make the 144,000?
Some may even go as far as asking what about Revelation 7:9 where the word states, “After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb…”
The more well known practices of this committed body of believers include abstention from voting in civil politics; no celebration of things like birthdays, Christmas, and Easter; no blood transfusion; no singing of the National Anthem; no handling of the flag; no involvement in the praying or devotional activity of others, since this would grieve Jehovah.
When I was in high school I had friends who got around the birthday matter by accepting the gift on the day after.
About eight years ago I was in my office when two of these dear souls came to bring me the truth. Our conversation went like this:
Witnesses: “We are in the area sharing with the friends. We wanted to ask you, ‘what do you know about Jesus’?”Response: “Well he was a Jew, who was committed to his faith in God and the service of humanity.”
Witness: “You said he was a Jew. Are you saying he was not a Christian?”
Response: “You are wise. That is correct. Jesus was never a Christian.”
Witness: “You mean to tell me that this is how they have people like you telling people in the Cayman Islands that Jesus was never a Christian?”
Response: “They actually do.”
You may disagree with these two evangelists. Regardless of what you may think about them, remember they could only have given what they had. They were honest, tired, thirsty, and above all unswerving in their truth. How many of us would be so bold?
You have probably seen that little quip, “another great mind, destroyed by education.” Is this the reason why studying at the tertiary level is discouraged by Watchtower?To be continued...
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The Trinity... is it a false teaching as the WTBTS claims?
by Honesty inin the old testament god revealed himself to his chosen people, the israelites as i am:.
ex 3:14-15 - god replied to moses, i am who i am.
this is what you are to say to the israelites: i am .
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Apostate Kate
Does it really matter if Jesus is God? What if the trinity idea was not the headache inducing, theological
It matters when religious leaders use a twisted version of Jesus to control people. The true Jesus offers unconditional love. He gave his life for ours. All the sins that we ever commited, all the sins we ever will commit in the future, all of them, Jesus died for. The true biblical Jesus did the time for all our crimes. Cults will twist this full grace into "undeserved kindness" implicating that forgivenss is something that takes work and can be deserved. The biblical Jesus offers a free gift that can not be earned or deserved. But otherwise it doesn't matter what your personal full understanding of who Jesus is. He will reveal himself to anyone who asks with an open mind and an open heart.
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do other religions shun?
by aoxo ini was wondering if other religions like catholics or baptists shun ex members like the jw's are supposed to shun their ex members.
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Apostate Kate
In case your wondering Social Services was alerted to the abuser and the family was contacted regularly.
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do other religions shun?
by aoxo ini was wondering if other religions like catholics or baptists shun ex members like the jw's are supposed to shun their ex members.
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Apostate Kate
It seems to me from my personal research, all religions that can be classified as cults all use some form of shunning. They have to. The entire life of a cult revolves around protecting the cult. There are quite a few classified as controling cults around the world. CARM List of Cult Groups
In contrast a healthy mainstream church that is a basic simple non denominational type, and many denominations clearly cultivate freedom with inner conscience of what unconditional love means in daily life. They teach utter personal freedom and grace. I have never seen shunning in any of the many mainstream churches I have dealt with personally.
I have seen one instance of someone who was an admitted abuser being asked to step down from his postion in a church charity. They provided bedding and essentials to the homeless which was a good thing, but this person was an abuser and the church did not want him in a position where he would be working with women and children. He was not shunned, just asked to step down.
However if as in the case in the early church your husband is seducing your mother and is not sorry for it, you have to call them on it...it is common sense but as someone posted; cults will take that and apply it to anything that will help them keep control. Wikipedia has a great list. List of groups referred to as cults - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think we would find everyone of them listed shuns in some way.
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Did you ever find an abandoned animal?
by JH inyesterday morning, while repairing the hose valve outside, i saw a cat in the garage.
he came to me and was rubbing against my legs.
since i already have a cat, and i happened to be at my parents house, and they don't want any animal on their lot, i just pet the cat once, and went inside.
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I always pick them up. We have a pidgeon I call CP for crippled pidgeon. He was nearly dead in the heat of the desert a few summers ago. I tried to reabilitate him but he just flops when he tries to fly. He lives in the yeard and is so pretty when the sun shines on him.
Last week I picked up a beautiful young mourning dove that had been injured. We tried to save her but she died. Dave burried her and made her a cross headstone. He drilled a hole in his finger making it. I told him I was just going to throw her over the fence. If I can't save them I let the hungry ravens eat them.
We don't have stray cats around here. The coyotes find them first. I always pick up stray dogs and find them a home or end up keeping them. We provide food, water and shelter for many wild critters here since we have encroached on their territory. Yesterday a family of newly hatched quail was out back. The babies are so adorable! Tiny little babies follow the parents around about ten of them.
A pack of coyotes made a kill last night out back....They make a lot of noise howling when they do. I hope it was not the quail family.
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When will people "stop" relying on "churches and religions" for happiness?
by booker-t init just breaks my heart when i read some of the posts on this websites and hear all of the horror stories about people and families suffering because of what the church or religion did to them.
not just jw's or mormons, but catholics, born-agains are also included in this group.
i bet you could find just as many disgruntle ex-catholics and ex-born-agains out in the world who have been severly hurt by their church.
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Apostate Kate
For me one of the things that sets me off is when believers make statements as if they were fact.
You have taken all that you have analyzed and then believe what you have analyzed as fact, correct? Otherwise you wouldn't be so adamant about believing it, correct?
We have done the same. My experiences are just as true to me. I am not mentally ill, psychotic, stupid, deceieved, ignorant or uneducated. My faith and my hope are real, they have substance and there is physical evidence in my life to support the reality of my faith.
So, therefore, what I say about my life and relationship with God is fact.
Respectfully~Kate
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Was This Already Posted?
by Apostate Kate indid anybody else receive this or know these nutty buddies?
open letter to all jehovahs witnesses.
the watchtower administration will be physically destroyed in 40 days from the date of this letter.
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Apostate Kate
I couldn't help myself. Our correspondence. Start at the bottom. Hi Kate, Please do not send me abusive letters containing viscous false and unsubstantiated accusations and then represent they are sent in love. One thng I will not stand for is abuse of love. I was trying to keep this good humoured. If you are saying that anyone who believes in a doomsday is in a cult then you are slanderer of all with faith in the Kingdom of God which is preceded by a doomsday. That is a slander of over 1 billion people. I and you can believe what I and you like. You appear to have had a sense of humour failure. Go read the works of Volataire. He did not tell people who held different beliefs from him that they were phsychotic or in a cult he said: I disagree with everything you say, but I would give my life fighting for you to have the right to say it. There was a time when the US and its people espoused that belief. Many still do of course. You should consider rejoining them. Your soap opera values are of no interest to me. Either withdraw your ghastly accusations or cease emailing me please. Regards Gordon
----- Original Message ----- From: ApostateKate To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: Re: The Letter Gordon you need help. You need to see a cult exiting specialist. You are psychotic and have lost touch with reality. It is ok, many people are blessed to make it out of the Watchtower alive, at least you have your life. The Watchtower is nothing more than a Doomsday Cult. You are nothing more than a Doomsday Cult, see the correlation? In Love, Kate In a message dated 5/29/2006 5:52:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Hay Kate, Here is a wacky one. Jesus resurrected dead people. And one day we will all live forever in a paradise! How long do you think this system is going to last? Will it end like Cinderella or will it end by a nuclear holocaust? I respectfully sumbit that you are the one with your head in the sand. The writing has been on the wall for some time. I appreciate that we all have a lot invested in this system, but remember the wife of lot!!! She was too concerned with the colour of her reception room curtains to keep focused on the destruction of her entire neighbourhood. Her micro-reality was, well it was toast! So what is your reality? I have shown you mine! What reality of yours have I lost touch with? Regards Gordon Ritchie Lords' Witnesses
----- Original Message ----- From ApostateKate To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 4:04 PM Subject: Re: The Letter I'm not the one that needs to answer that question because I'm not the one that has lost touch with reality and made the wacky claims. You need some cult exit counseling therapy. In a message dated 5/28/2006 9:24:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Correct any mistakes and keep watching like Jesus said. What will you do? Yours with open eyes Gordon Ritchie Lords' Witnesses
----- Original Message ----- From ApostateKate To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:39 PM Subject: Re: The Letter Fox News Team is a cult? Wow I never knew. So what will you do if the Bethel buildings do not collapse next month? In a message dated 5/26/2006 6:06:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Hi cult-seeker, Sorry, we are not interested in controlling people's thoughts or lives, we are interested in the truth which sets people's minds and lives free. If you want a cult you might find this Top 10 cult list a useful guide... Mormons Christian Scientists Jehovah's Witnesses Jesus Army New Labour Hackney Council Social Services BBC Fox News Team Iranian Revolutionary Guard Any Catholic Convent These organisations teach you not how to think, but what to think. I am sure there are many other mind set discriminators you can find, but we are an logical opportunities orgnisation. Blessings Gordon Ritchie Lords' Witnesses
----- Original Message ----- From: ApostateKate To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:34 PM Subject: The Letter I read the letter you sent out. It is interesting. Can I be in your cult?